Meek Mill’s DC4 dropped last week, offering a welcome deflection from the drama that’s encircled him for the past year or so. Fresh off the mixtape’s release, Meek rode around Atlanta in his Rolls-Royce Wraith with Taxstone for the podcast “Tax Season.” What followed was one hour and 32 minutes of unfiltered Meek discussing his public beefs, Nicki Minaj, dis tracks, and more.

First and perhaps most fascinating, the Philly MC broke down his beef with Drake, explaining that their fallout began long before he accused Drake of not writing his own rhymes. He said their relationship started to sour after he got out of prison and didn’t hear from Drizzy for over a year.

“We kinda had a relationship. I haven’t seen him since I came home. You know, me and the Nicki situation and I haven’t ran into you yet,” he said, adding that shit really hit the fan when Drake failed to show up at Meek’s hometown concert. “I had a show in Philly. He was supposed to come to my show. They said they don’t know about it ... I had this shit set up for four months. The day of, nobody comes through and call me so I’m just backstage looking like a fraud to everybody I told.”

Still, Meek says he and Drake “have no real problem” these days, and he even admitted that Drizzy’s infamous dis track “Back to Back” was “a hot record.” As for why he never responded to the track, Meek said he moves at his own speed, and simply had no time to respond.

“I was on tour at this time when all that shit was going on. ‘Back to Back.’ And when I record, I don’t really record like that. And I always move at my time,” he said, adding that the only reason why his response to The Game came so quickly was because of Omelly. “Even with Game, I wasn’t even gon’ make no diss record. But Omelly FaceTimed me in the studio with Beans. They said ‘come through.’ I just pulled up.”

As for that blistering “Back to Back” lyric about Meek and Minaj (“Is that a world tour or your girl’s tour?”), Meek really doesn’t get the insult. “Is it a bad thing that I have a go-getter as my lady?” he asked. “Yeah, I’m on my girl tour. We getting right every night, she’s probably making like 450 or some shit like that. It’s lit. ... So when I see people tweet, like, ‘That was murder.’ I’m like, we wish for shit like this where we come from.”

Listen to the whole interview below.