“It’s like what the Arctic Monkeys said about their second album: In the places when it’s dark, it’s even darker, and in the places when it’s light, it’s even lighter,” Radcliffe told a crowd during Tuesday night’s TimesTalks. “The dark parts are with Dumbledore and Voldemort and his influence on things, and the light parts are very, very fun stuff with Ron and Hermione. Jesse Cave, who plays Lavender, is just brilliant. We had a lot of fun.”

When Rupert Grint had his first kissing scene with Jesse, Radcliffe said he wanted to make him break character, so he stood in the back and made faces at him. “For years, we’ve been making each other laugh on set,” Radcliffe said, “and now it was time for me to get my revenge.”

Radcliffe hopes to get more “revenge” while shooting “Deathly Hallows” in February -- but the scene he most looks forward to shooting is more of a solemn one: Harry’s final walk through the forest as he prepares for his death. “It’s more emotional and intense than the actual fight,” he said.

Radcliffe also hopes Gary Oldman, who played Harry’s godfather Sirius Black, is there for that long walk (as his character is in the book). After all, it was Oldman who taught Radcliffe how to act “bereaved” in the first place, since he had no idea how to put himself in Harry’s place when he’d lost someone he loved.

“It’s kind of hard to find that level when you’re 15,” Radcliffe said. “But he came up to me and said, ‘Do you mind if we get a bit intense?’ And then he came towards me. I thought he was going to hold me, but he shook me and screamed at me! So hard that when he let me go, I almost fell. I wanted to go crawl up in a fetal position. And then he said, ‘Throw your head back and scream.’ And it worked.”

Will Radcliffe need that kind of help on “Hallows”? He hopes not, but he’d like to see Oldman on set anyway. “I miss working with him,” he said. “I hope to work with him again one day.”

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