Sith down, we have some really interesting "Star Wars" news.

In an interview with Empire magazine, "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" director J.J. Abrams said that new baddie Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) is an underling of a Dark Big Bad, Supreme Leader Snoke (a CGI-transformed Andy Serkis). And he's...more a Nazi than a Sith?

Bwuh?

As Abrams put it to the mag:

“That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again?" he said. "What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn’t get done?”

So basically, what if the remaining Dark Side believers got together and decided to keep the cause going? We assume that Abrams is speaking metaphorically, imagining the regrouping of die-hards to form their own ragtag post-revolution revolution. Could this explain the decidedly rough-looking lightsaber Kylo Ren is rocking? If there's one thing we've learned about life in a pre-"The Force Awakens" world, it's that you just can't force the answers to come. (Heyo!) We'll have to wait and see.

"Star Wars: The Force Awakens" hits theaters December 18.