Animal Collective's Avey Tare on Satanism and 'Centipede Hz'

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Animal Collective is an art-pop band from Baltimore, Md., but these days they also call Los Angeles and Portugal home. Since 2000, they’ve made nine albums, six EPs, and one very freaky movie (or “visual album”), ODDSAC.  Their tenth album, Centipede Hz, comes out on September 4. Animal Collective consists of four members, all of whom are friends from high school (some from much earlier) and all of whom have fake names that represent things that they’re not in real life. We talked to each of them individually and this is the fourth of out four conversations.

David Portner (aka Avey Tare) is a founding member of Animal Collective, and like everybody in his band, he multitasks. He plays guitar, sings, creates sound samples, plays keyboards, and hits on things in a percussive kinda way. Don't fence him in! The 33-year-old L.A. transplant has been called the "primary artistic force" of Animal Collective, which may or may not be true, depending on your personal relationships with and/or degree of intense fandom for the other three guys in Animal Collective.

Let's talk about aliens.

Sure, yeah. [Laughs.] You mean relating to our music, or just aliens in general?

We could go anywhere with that topic, I suppose. But let's start with your music. You've always made records with a certain extraterrestrial vibe. But Centipede Hz could be on the jukebox in the Cantina Bar in Tatooine.

I think it just happens. Something like (2009's) Merriweather Post Pavilion, as much as it was an expansive, spacey, airy record, it was very earth-bound to me. You know what I mean? In terms of what it was about and what we were talking about, the feeling of it came from very earthly matters.

But Centipede Hz isn't about earthly matters?

Not really as much. I think the music just kind of took us out there. It took us to places we haven't gone before.

I was talking to Panda Bear.

Noah?

Yeah, Noah. We were talking about the Max Rebo Band from Return of the Jedi, and how they were an influence on the new album. Was that really what you had in mind when you were coming up with songs?

Well yeah, definitely. I can't really remember how it started coming up. I think it was Noah actually. He started using the term "alien band" in reference to the kind of music he wanted to make or we should all be making. I think that just became an easy reference.

Before this interview, I was flipping through the Star Wars encyclopedia, and they described the Max Rebo Band as "jizz-wailers."

Jizz what?

Jizz-wailers. Is that how you'd categorize the music on Centipede Hz?

Serious? [Nervous laugh.] Jizz-wailers? It says "jizz-wailers?"

It does. I assume George Lucas signed off on it.

I don't know. It's hard to say, really.

It's hard to say if you're jizz-wailing?

I'm not sure if I know what jizz-wailing is.

Well according to the book, and I'm reading directly from it here, "A jizz-wailer was a term for musicians who specialized in playing jizz songs."

Jizz songs?

Jizz songs. Is Centipede Hz a collection of jizz songs?

I guess I'd say [long pause] ... no?

No you're not jizz-wailers?

Probably not.

So how would you classify the new record? Let's say you're working at a record store and you just received a shipment of Centipede Hz. If it doesn't belong in the "Jizz-Wailing" section, where does it belong?

I think the best way to describe it is "Centipede Hz."

With the title?

That's the best way we could come up with to describe what it is.

But "Centipede Hz" doesn't mean anything. It's a nonsense phrase.

Well yeah. But so is jizz-wailing. [Laughs.]

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I've heard stories that the Strawberry Jam album started with the title and the album cover. Panda Bear had breakfast on a plane to Greece and looked at some jam and told the rest of the band that the record should sound like jam. 

Yeah, that was pretty much it.

And then you made the album cover and the band made music inspired by that cover.

Well ...

With Centipede Hz, which came first, the music or the creepy Rocky Horror Picture Show mouth cover?

I think the music kind of came out of it, that image. I definitely think it came about in a similar way, with similar words. Or new words that were tossed around in a similar fashion. "Centipede," and especially describing energy. Music has a lot of ecstatic energy, and it's really good for us all to be playing and trying to capture that kind of thing. So yeah, I think it's just throwing around words. And I think that's just vocabulary that we used to describe music and to talk about music when we're making it, when we're writing it, you know, it becomes a fun way, a more exploratory way to explore music and get into it, talking about images. Because we all like film a lot, and we spend a lot of time watching movies together, especially when we're working, that it's become a pastime, and I think that effects it too. The way visuals come across and the way visuals are mixed with music and sound and soundtracks. I think it all comes together in this way, in the environments we like to create. We think of everything as this new environment. A sonic environment that we're trying to create.

On a scale of one to ten, one being Sean Penn in Fast Times at Ridgemont High and ten being Roger Waters while he was recording Dark Side of the Moon, how stoned are you right now?

[Laughs.] What? No, not at all.

Okay, that's cool. I was trying to follow what you just said, and it felt like I was staring at a blacklight poster in a college dorm room.

No, not even slightly.

I was reading this old USA Today story about Animal Collective, and it began with, "They've been called weirdoes, freaks and satanists." Have you ever actually been called any of those things?

Yes, I think probably all of them.

Really? You've been called "weirdos"?

We have, yeah.

I thought my five year old nephew was the only person who still used the word "weirdo."

I don't know about weirdo, but we hear things like "That's too weird" or "That's just weird for weird's sake." People say stuff like that, for sure.

And satanists?

Yeah, we've been called satanists a couple times.

This is the first I'm hearing of it.

I can't remember if it was a case of some kid's parents picking them up from one of our shows and they came in and saw what was happening, or maybe it was a kid who came to our show and didn't really know what to expect, maybe they just knew only one song and got really excited and had never seen us before and didn't know what it was going to be like.

And then you guys come out in black robes, and you start chanting, "Regie satanas, ave satanas."

[Laughs.] Right, yeah? It's none of that. But I guess it's just the nature of some of our fans getting super into it, feeling this really personal connection with us. People dress up, they let loose and do various ... substances and things like that.

Substances?

Yeah, substances.

You are stoned right now, aren't you?

No! [Laughs.] So whoever this young person was, he or she, I wasn't really sure, they went to our show and then came home and ranted to their parents about it. Somebody wrote a letter to the promoter, which was like "What is this band you're promoting? It sounds like a satanic cult experience!" So the second time it happened-

You've been called satanists twice?

[Laughs.] Yes.

Well then you're clearly satanists. Fool me once, shame on you....

We were making (the 2010 film) ODDSAC, and the director hired all these children to be in this scene with me dressed as this really weird character.

You were in white-face makeup, right?

Yeah. And we were filming in Deakin's mom's house in Maryland, which is a really interesting place.

I've heard.

We were shooting in this room that's kind of a hexagonal shape. It has like a spiritual vibe to it. You know what I mean? It's actually used for that kind of thing in her line of work.

She's a "spiritual consciousness therapist?"

Is that what it is?

I don't know. That's what I got from Google. I figured you would have a better idea than me.

I guess so, I don't really know. So for the scene, we were all sitting in a circle on this purple carpet, and it's not a very big room so all the kids' parents had to be outside. Because it was a closed shoot in a way. There were a few parents that were able to look in but not everybody was. One of the parents freaked out that we wouldn't let them come into the room and they saw me dressed like this weird space guru, with all these kids sitting around me like we were trying to pull off some sort of black mass ritual. I think it was one of the mothers who got angry and pulled their child out of the shoot immediately.

But otherwise, there's been no pentagrams or goats having their throats cut during Animal Collective shows?

We've never really gotten into that kind of thing as a band.

But you personally?

Yeah, maybe. Here and there. You never know. You get bored on tour.

Do you read your reviews?

Definitely, yeah. It's hard to avoid.

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What's your favorite adjective used to describe your music?

I have a least favorite. I don't know about favorite.

What's your least favorite?

"Pastoral" is up there as my least favorite. Or "child-like." Those are two.

You don't think Animal Collective is child-like?

I just think it's a phrase that's been over-used in describing music like ours, or just us specifically. I think it's fine when it happens once or twice, but when it happens in every review or every time you read something, it's like, "Oh, people can't come up with a better way of talking about what we do." Or maybe it's just hard to write about us, I don't know.

I personally love it when critics describe Animal Collective with the adjective "droney."

Droney? Huh. That's interesting.

Because it's meant, I think, as a compliment.

Are you sure?

I'm pretty sure. When a journalist describes AC as "droney," they're usually saying something positive about the band. In almost any other context, if you said, "What is that droney sound?" it could only be interpreted as an insult. But in Animal Collective reviews, it's almost always a compliment.

I like droney stuff. I wouldn't describe all of our music as droney but some of it, for sure, yeah.

My other favorite is "sun-woozy."

Woozy?

Yeah, woozy. That word makes me sleepy just reading it.

Sun-woozy? I like that.

Have you met your critics?

I've met writers from around New York, here and there. But otherwise, not really.

When you're playing at the Pitchfork Festival, are you surrounded by dudes with beards and non-prescription glasses?

We have intense fans. Actually for us the bulk of our fan base is like younger kids.

Younger kids as in prepubescents?

No, like teenagers. Dressed up and tie-dyed and wearing crazy makeup and stuff like that.

So ... satanists, basically? Totally. They're all totally into Satan.

[Laughs.] No, they're just cool young people who are really, really into the music. It can get intense sometimes, especially for us. When we're not on tour, we're pretty solitary individuals. We have wives and girlfriends and families and kids and we stay at home mostly. It's only when we're on the road that we have to be so outward and sociable and conversational with strangers. It takes some getting used to.

Centipede Hz is out September 4 on Domino. For more Animal Collective, read Hive's interviews with Deakin, Geologist and Panda Bear.


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